Pastor KICKED OFF Stage After Calling Out SHOCKING Performance?

Have you ever witnessed a moment of unexpected unity that made you question everything? Our latest episode takes you through the highs and lows of controversy and reconciliation within the Christian community, sparked by Pastor Mark Driscoll's appearance at a recent men's conference. Together, we'll navigate the complexity of holding steadfast beliefs amidst scandal, examine the impact of paternal influence in family dynamics, and weigh the validity of miracle claims against the credibility of faith communities.

This conversation isn't just about scrutinizing events; it's a heart-to-heart on the essence of parenting and the power of redemption. We’re pulling back the curtain on the fiery debates over charismatic beliefs and the tension between cessationists and continuationists. With an ear to the ground, we tackle the hard questions about public ministry and the challenge of remaining united with those who hold differing theological perspectives, all while sharing personal reflections on ministry and unity.

Wrapping up with a candid assessment of personal beliefs and potential hypocrisy within the church, we reflect on the importance of living an authentic Christian life. The episode brings to light the struggles and triumphs of faith leaders, the role of miracles today, and the impact of our actions on the watching world. Join us as we confront these issues head-on, offering a platform for understanding and harmony among believers.

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Speaker 1: 0:00

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Speaker 1: 0:35

Uh-oh, the church did it again. So right now there is a hot story around a once I guess he's still a pastor. There was a lot of controversy, a lot of a scandal wrapped up, but he has since then multiple times gone viral. He has since then repented, turned and he has changed his life and now he's back on the path. Your opinion about the guy? I don't know. Have you heard of him? Mark Driscoll, this guy is a guy who, what he says and what he says he believes, he sticks with it and I admire him because he doesn't let his placement change his character. What do I mean by that? There are a lot of ministers Okay, I don't know when we're going to talk about the TD Jakes accusations, but we may get there next week.

Speaker 1: 1:35

There are a lot of preachers I wouldn't I don't know if I'd call them pastors A lot of preachers that are good. They're charismatic, they know the right things to say, they know when to say them, they know how to say them, they know which verses to use and what place to put them to make it seem like God is always on your side and there's never any kind of correction. We call them the prosperity preachers, the prosperity gospel, and that is one of the most dangerous gospels out there. It is one that will bleed you, drive your bank account, make you think like you're a part of something. I guess you are. You're buying their jets and buying their expensive vehicles and their churches and things like that. Sure, there's actually a church in Branson, missouri, that my stepdad told me, that the guy there, the pastor there, has a private jet and he offers to the people there, for I don't know how many thousands of dollars that you can buy your seat and it will be your seat and nobody can sit there.

Speaker 1: 2:38

Now, I don't know if you go to church, but where I go to church and where I preach at, people got their spots. It may be worth doing. Hey, it would cut down on people being upset about people taking their spots because they literally own the chair. Now it's funny because we just replaced our chairs, got new chairs last year and we were joking around. Some of the people were like, hey, that's your spot. You pay tithes here, you pay for that, because people I mean you look up and they're in their spot. I've seen people come in and somebody was in their spot and they sit behind it or beside it and then when that person got up, I saw them run and take their spot back. I was like man, that's some petty junk right there. I mean I get it. So it is what it is, but anyways.

Speaker 1: 3:26

So mark driscoll he is. He's a pastor. Look him up youtube channel. There's actually, I think, a documentary on. He was a past lead pastor of a church called mars hill and I think the the the show, the documentary, is called the rise and fall of mars hill.

Speaker 1: 3:43

I have not watched it personally, so I don't know the depths of everything that happened, but I do know. I do know that there was scandal involved. So, with that being said, if you won't listen to a preacher or a minister or a worship band or whatever, after they mess up because you say that that's inaccurate and that's unbiblical and I won't listen to that. Junk Preachers all the time preach from King David and he was a murderer, adulterer or whatever. You know what I mean. But he knew how to say God, I am sorry, and he meant it. God saw his heart and knew that he was being sincere and that, to me, when there's repentance in the heart, it's evident. When there's repentance in the heart, you can tell, you can see it. It produces a fruit of repentance and turning and being truly sorry for what you've done and, from what I've seen from this guy, it has been a road for him truly of repentance.

Speaker 1: 5:02

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Speaker 1: 6:09

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Speaker 1: 6:42

So, just as a little bit of a setup, this is a men's conference, okay, so keep that in your head a men's conference. This is not them girls out there wiling out. This is a man's conference. Why do I say that? Let me show you why I say that. So this right here, okay. Why do I say that? Let me show you why I say that. So this right here, okay. Now this is from a channel Ruslan KD. Kd stands for King's Dream. He's an Armenian guy raised in America from a young age, turned famous YouTuber, christian rapper. So you can see already. I have not even started the video. Look at this. What is he doing? Homeboy is taking off his shirt. And what is that behind him? That, my friends, is what we call a stripper pole. Why in the world is a dude and apparently this guy is like an ex-stripper. He actually used to be a stripper why in the world is he stripping and getting on a pole at a men's conference? I don't have a good answer. So let's see what Ruslan has to say about it.

Speaker 2: 8:07

A Christian men's conference allowed a horrifying and cringe performance that led to this celebrity pastor calling them out at the conference. Now this is one of the most interesting things I have seen happen at the same conference, and there's multiple important characters in this conversation that we're going to have to go over and a twist that no one is talking about or saw coming. So make sure you watch till the end of this video for all the details. Now, the pastor that did the call out is no other than Pastor Mark Driscoll. No stranger to controversy, he's gone viral multiple times for having W take after W take in the last several months, even garnering the attention of Ben Shapiro reacting to one of his videos.

Speaker 3: 8:53

Young men are over mothered under father.

Speaker 1: 8:56

There's some of the stuff he says. He has some very good points. He is sound in the things that he says and he does not back down, just like the, the bishop we looked at a minute ago all the father said amen.

Speaker 3: 9:09

When the boy is little, does he need his mother? Yes, so mother's in the first position, father's in the second position. When the boy gets older, needs his father controversial more than his mother, absolutely true, by the way, that doesn't kick in at like 20.

Speaker 1: 9:21

That kicks in for little boys at like five, but his appearance as a guest keynote speaker at james and there goes to the point I was making at the beginning of the live stream. The enemy is after. He is trying to dissect and dismantle our homes. He's, and the way he does that is he gets the fathers out of the house. Where there's no father, there's no man influence and it crumbles every single time. It's not good for the children.

Speaker 2: 9:52

James River's men's conference did not go as expected.

Speaker 3: 9:57

Thank you.

Speaker 2: 10:02

Now, as I stated earlier, this all happened at James River Church's men's conference, which didn't surprise me at all. After all, james River Church is responsible for greatest hits like having Bill Johnson at their church immediately after their Physics of Heaven book got exposed, for having all sorts of New Age stuff in it and also bringing you the.

Speaker 1: 10:23

But they did take it down of new age stuff in it and also bringing you the, but they did take it down. So the physics of heaven, a book, not I don't think it's written by bill johnson, not either. That's from bethel church, bethel music. If you probably we were you use some of their music too. Not all the theology is sound. Some of it's a little out there. But they retracted that it was in their bookstore in their church and they took it out. That's a whole nother video. But they did back down and they they retracted that it was in their bookstore in their church and they took it out. That's a whole nother video.

Speaker 2: 10:51

But they did back down and they said that they're no longer a part of that, so that's a good thing, that's a positive. Amazingshowmethetoescom where they alleged that a woman had her toes miraculously grown back, said they had proof and then refused to provide that proof to the public.

Speaker 4: 11:03

As the ladies prayed for Chrissy over the next 30 minutes, all three toes grew Within an hour. Nails began to grow on all the toes but they saw the bone come wrapping flesh, completely grow up and by morning the toenails everything had formed. She got three brand new toes. What I want to assure you of is it's real, it's real, it's real. It's of is it's real, it's real, it's real, it's real, it's real. We can provide the kind of proof that would be necessary. People have asked if you've seen pictures of the toes.

Speaker 1: 11:33

I have now this is. So this guy right here I'm not sure who he is, but this is the the issue, that cessationist, which is that there are people that believe that the gifts of the Spirit, the miracles, the speaking in tongues, things like that was to validate the New Testament. As the disciples and the others were going and spreading the gospel, that was to validate that they were telling the truth, that god was saying yep, that's my stamp of approval. Here's a miracle type deal. Okay, continuationist, which is what I am some would call charismatic. We still believe in speaking the tongue, speaking in tongues. We believe in the miracles. You know, it's re first corinthians okay, paul described, and paul's not writing to the jews, he's not writing to the Jews, he's not writing to the disciples, he's writing to the Gentiles.

Speaker 1: 12:28

That had nothing to do with the upper room experience. So in Acts there's an upper room experience. The Holy Spirit came down. This is what Jesus promised out of His own mouth. He said I have to go so that he can come. So this also gives us the Trinity. You have God, the Father, god the Son, god the Holy Spirit, and so there's this synergy with all of them and apparently there would be too much power on the earth if Jesus stayed, but he went to the right hand of the Father. The Spirit came down, an outpouring, a ground zero, if you will, in Acts 2. And a powerful moment, the initial downpouring and outpouring. And so then, miracles, signs and wonders in a new way, the things that Jesus did all of a sudden. Now the regular, average, everyday believer could do it, because the Holy Spirit gives that power. That anointing that atonement gives that power, that anointing that atonement, whatever you want to say that. Uh, to wrap up, the definition of god is still god, his spirit is still the spirit, and so, that being said, it's guys like these that feel that they have to either. Okay, so here's probably what happened. Speculation, 100%. This is probably what happened.

Speaker 1: 13:46

They probably, in their charismatic movement with miracles and things like that, probably hit a dry spell. Something maybe cool or crazy, maybe did happen, but they felt they needed to church it up. They needed to exaggerate a little bit, to manipulate God, to do more miracles, to get people having faith. Because, I mean, james tells us everybody lay hands on people, not a pastor, not deacons, not board members, not the elder, or it does say the elders, but anybody can lay hands on the sick and they will recover. So it's very possible that in their mind, they're thinking okay, we have seen a lack of laying hands, a lack of faith.

Speaker 1: 14:34

Maybe, if we say something or make this more than what it was, it's possible that a miracle did happen, that something, a miracle did happen. But it's also possible that something happened and they kept beefing it up to bring more faith, getting people more emotional about things. And this is the danger of extreme charismatics is that it takes, it takes away the, the authenticity of God and the Spirit, and it makes it into almost a mockery and a show, instead of it just being God, being God, and so that's the danger of this.

Speaker 4: 15:16

So I've seen the picture A few moments later. People are saying well, if it's genuine, why aren't you doing anything with it to publicize it? I'm less interested in proving to people what I know God did than I am in protecting sheep who are vulnerable.

Speaker 1: 15:30

See, there's some sort of like out, an excuse like oh man, I just you know, I lost it. The dog ate my homework. That's what it sounds, what it is there's, I don't know, but that's what it sounds.

Speaker 2: 15:43

As far as I know know, they still have not provided the proof as well as what they highlighted at last year's conference, featuring the very patriotic bad take.

Speaker 1: 15:53

But this new controversy has escalated to a whole new, you see how he bleeped himself out, because that church where that guy was just at it was a curse word in the church stratosphere, as it involves a former male stripper.

Speaker 2: 16:12

But before we get into that, guys, my name is Ruslan and this channel exists to encourage, empower and inspire you to live a life that blesses God hey, go get that guy's subscription.

Speaker 1: 16:22

He's got some good stuff. Oftentimes he's actually like if you watch my stuff, how I live stream for a while and then I chop it up and make it into shorts, like I stole that from him, like he's the guy that I everybody's watching his content and seeing what he's coming out with. I'm watching how he's doing it and I'm replicating it.

Speaker 2: 16:36

That requires us to address the type of shenanigans in the church that lead us to not bless God. So if you're new here, or if you're not new here, please hit that subscribe button, as a huge percentage of the people that watch this channel, unfortunately, are not subscribed. Now let's get into the video. So before we get into Mark Driscoll's call out in front of thousands of people in the middle of his talk, let's first look at what exactly he was disturbed by. Okay, so this is Alex Magala. He was on America's Got Talent and they decided to have him as an opening act, which again't surprising. Remember last year they had tanks. They also had monster trucks before, so he's doing some like calisthenic type of moves here on what and what he's doing.

Speaker 1: 17:22

This is why he has abs, because no regular person can do anything like that.

Speaker 2: 17:26

That's weird, appears to be a stripper pole, and then he goes for the swords. He swallows a sword, pause and okay. And then he swallows a sword and climbs to the very top of this pole. That was the opening act. Now again, remember they? The other opening act for this was this the other opening act was a monster truck. I'm not kidding.

Speaker 2: 17:57

Now, if you're like me, you may be asking why is there a shirtless male stripper on a pole swallowing swords? A men's conference, a Christian men's conference? Well, to be fair, they didn't hire a male stripper. They hired one of the world's best sword-swallowing circus acts, if you will. Alex Magala was on America's Got Talent. This is an act that he does and, from my understanding, alex is a professing Christian. He's plugged into a local church, I believe, in LA, and I don't necessarily put this on him. I think alex was just there to provide entertainment, but it appears that alex does come from the night life industry of sorts, if you know what I'm talking about. And the deeper question is who in their right mind would think that men, especially young men, would want to see a shirtless pole performing sword swallowing opening act at a men's conference? Let's be honest.

Speaker 1: 18:59

Some woman ordered this up. It was, though they had somebody in charge of doing all the scheduling, and it was a woman.

Speaker 2: 19:09

And here we are so clearly he's not completely removed from the male stripping scene, but are so clearly he's not completely removed from the male stripping scene, but that is not what he's currently doing. That is not who they brought out. But who they brought out just doesn't seem like. It struck a chord with the audience there, which is another L at the feet of James River Church, so it was not shocking that later, when Mark Driscoll took the stage, he had this to say about the opening act this is what he said.

Speaker 3: 19:53

The reason I'm hoarse is I have been praying for you and my heart is very burdened for you and I want to be very careful with this and it's not what I want to say. But the Jezebel spirit has already been here. The Jezebel spirit opened our event. This is a rebuke and a correction of no one. This is an observation. Before the word of God was open, there was a platform. It was a high place. On it was a pole, an asherah the same thing that's used in a strip club for women who have the Chesapelle spirit.

Speaker 1: 20:35

Men have strip clubs too, which I'm guessing he doesn't know that because he's never been to a male strip club, but I'm assuming right, I don't have to ask my mom about that.

Speaker 2: 20:46

What is that?

Speaker 1: 20:47

Mike, strip thing Like Mike.

Speaker 3: 20:51

I'll have to ask my mom To seduce men thing like mike, if that's my mom. In front of that was a man who ripped his shirt off like a woman does in front of a pole at a strip club.

Speaker 1: 21:04

Men do it too. He's not doing very good, is all I'm saying, like his what he. Maybe he didn't think long enough that man then ascended.

Speaker 3: 21:15

See, our god is not arrogant, he doesn't us, and our god is humble, he descends. And then he swallowed a sword and jesus cried okay, pastor john, I'll receive that, thank you that's the pastor telling him you're out of line, mark.

Speaker 1: 21:35

Talk about an awkward moment like I can't even. I'm a pastor, for sure, I'm the lead pastor, like that. I'm the guy and I would. I don't know if I would be able to now if he was like going crazy, but to me that didn't seem so crazy, but he was putting it on. I don't know if I could call somebody out like that in the middle of them talking. I don't know, that'd just be very weird. Of course I wouldn't get a shirtless guy on stage either doing pole stuff.

Speaker 2: 22:02

You're out of line. You're done, okay. Now watch what happens after he gets rebuked and walks off the stage. Listen to the audience here.

Speaker 5: 22:47

So they're booing the pastor stage get off the stage. They paid to see Mark Driscoll. They didn't pay to see this dude.

Speaker 1: 23:00

Matthew 18. Anyways, it wasn't. It was a public display. It wasn't something done anyways. So what do you think? Do you think that, first of all, what happened was out of line, like the whole? And was he stripping on a pole? No, like, absolutely not. Do you think mark driscoll was accurate in his assessment of what happened? I mean, he was using a lot of biblical terminology that, to me, had nothing to do. Like God doesn't ascend, he descends what I don't know. Maybe that's just me, but that just seems a little like comparing something biblical to something that. Was it wise for them to have that there? They had a monster truck. Did he have to take his shirt off? No, that should have been set up beforehand. Hey, we're not gay here. Keep your shirt on, or whatever. I don't know.

Speaker 5: 24:03

If your brother offends, you go to him privately. I talked to Mark for a half hour. There was not one word of that he's out of line If you want to say it, he can say it to me. You may not agree with me, you may not agree with him, but we are brothers in Christ and there's a right way to handle this.

Speaker 2: 24:25

So that's the James River Church pastor. Show me the toes guy, that guy. So it's important to note that multiple things can be true here, and the most shocking part about the story that no one is talking about I'm going to tell you here in a moment, but first let me just say this the response of that audience in support of Mark Driscoll and against this pastor shows me that there is a rising up of men that are tired of the superficial.

Speaker 2: 24:53

Let's just entertain you and have monster trucks and fireworks and explosions and sword swallowers at these types of conferences, that there's men here that are hungry for something, for more.

Speaker 1: 25:05

Yeah, if you want all the explosions and stuff like that, like read your Bible while you're watching Transformers or something Like a Michael Bay movie, if you want that and he's making a good point here, I'll let him finish in just a second. We have become not all churches, but the larger churches have become places of entertainment instead of Christ, instead of the unadulterated word of God, and this is what it produces. You have men's conferences where you have a chance to really pour into. Now, I'm sure they were going to really get some word and stuff like that. Like, I understand wanting to be entertained and stuff, but it's like where do you draw the line between trying to draw a crowd by things, by events or by the Spirit?

Speaker 1: 26:09

There's a big difference, I feel, and I think in the church culture we've become so disconnected of what that looks like it's hard for us to wrap our heads around not, or it's hard to not gravitate towards wanting to entertain, wanting to have programs, like my church is a church of probably 35 and up.

Speaker 1: 26:35

There's very little like 20s. Okay, I've had people come to my church that are in that I was gonna say price range in that age group of 20s and they like the church, but they don't see people that are their age. Now what's the disconnect? The only way that people will start coming, that people will be there that is in that age group, is if the people that come there in that age group stay for a while and see how it is. Like that's how it is. I mean, you can't just just because you don't see people your age. To me, that's the perfect spot to find the most wisdom is around a bunch of people that are older than me. I used to hang around, I still do. All the pastors in my district or the they.

Speaker 2: 27:27

They ain't no spring chicken anyway, let let's go on and are sick of the mockery that oftentimes is displayed in some of these entertainment-infused environments regarding our evangelical Protestant circles. I mean, this is partially the reason why we are seeing so many people leave Protestant circles and become Catholics and Orthodox. It's because they're honestly tired of the nonstop entertainment in terms of how some of this goes down. Not all churches, not all Protestant churches, not all evangelicals, but some of the bigger ones definitely have this sort of stuff and it's cringe.

Speaker 2: 28:01

Now there are multiple things that can be true at once. Shirtless, sword-swallowing circus acts probably not the best idea at a men's conference.

Speaker 1: 28:08

Also at the same time— I'm telling you, a woman probably scheduled that Also at the same time.

Speaker 2: 28:16

Driscoll rightfully called out some of the shenanigans that I think too many people are tired of seeing these sorts of events. However, if Driscoll did have a 30-minute conversation with the pastor of this church, as cringy as he is, probably should have said something to him before he went up to say that. Now I'll chalk it up to the reality that perhaps Driscoll was sleep-deprived. He was tired. He said he had been up since 1 am. His voice was hoarse. He had been praying for these people.

Speaker 1: 28:43

So that's a good thing and I said it a minute ago.

Speaker 1: 28:46

A little bit Like if I have somebody on my stage at my church, I tell them the parameters of how they are to act.

Speaker 1: 28:55

For instance, someone asked me if a I think a governor or somebody in politics could come and speak to our people and I said yes, but I know they're a conservative, a Republican, I said but if they at any moment say and demonize a Democrat or call left or whatever, and they're not just talking about issues, they're not explaining how to vote, they're not giving us good knowledge and information of the problems and things we need to overcome, things we need to vote on, but if they demonize a certain sect of people and cause division in the church, I will walk up there and take the mic out of their hand and his little thing will be over. They haven't got with me yet, which is fine, but there needs to be parameters to protect from this very thing right here, so that there's no confusion in the church, there's no issues, there's no division, there's a clear definition of who we are as believers in this body, in this church, and we are in unity, and that should be for every church.

Speaker 2: 30:07

I would just chalk it up to hey. Driscoll was tired. Perhaps he didn't count the cost or calculate what he was going to say came out in the moment.

Speaker 1: 30:13

So let's go on to this next part and then Matthew 8.

Speaker 2: 30:15

So, after all this happened, pastor Mark Driscoll and Pastor John Lindell, who just kicked him off stage, actually go back on the stage together.

Speaker 1: 30:23

Yeah, listen to this and end up having this exchange where Driscoll apologized to him Now the reason he had to do this and think about this. This is wise on that dude's part. I have a feeling it would not have been a very nice rest of the conference or nobody would have come back, if he would not have had Driscoll come out and talk and do what they're doing right here and put some dialogue on it. It probably would have been. It might have been another stabbing, I don't know.

Speaker 6: 30:49

And I talked. We went outside where we could be alone and we could talk, and we've reaffirmed our friendship. Mark, I want you to know you're a gift to the kingdom. You're a gift to James River. You've been a gift to Debbie and I. You've helped us in things. You've been kind to my family and to my sons and I love you and I told Mark and I love you and please everybody here, don't leave.

Speaker 6: 31:20

He says I'll do whatever you want. I said, well, if you're willing and we could come in and talk. I'm gonna let him talk in a moment. If you're willing, I want you to speak again. I want to find out about elijah.

Speaker 2: 31:30

This is fairly grainy footage. It's the best we can get. I don't know if they're going to put out something from the actual conference. Here is footage of driscoll's response to what pastor john said to him I believe, what I should have done, since I had another session.

Speaker 3: 31:43

I was thinking about it. It wasn't in my notes. I didn't intend to go there. I was up late praying for the men. I just can't see it, and I should have, between sessions, talked to you rather than just verbal processing on the stage and as the Father.

Speaker 1: 31:57

Which is true. That's a fair point. Okay, this is what I tell my leaders in my church if you have an issue, or I have a couple of guys that they are my go-to guys, that that minister to the people, they they preach when I need somebody to fill in, they do a great job. Uh, they know and I know. If there's an issue in the church, if there's some that have asked how come you haven't asked me, and I told them because you are not in a place where you won't let your issues come out of your message.

Speaker 1: 32:32

It's very hard to do, but you're supposed to bring a word from the Lord, not your issues with things. And so when you're filling somebody else's pulpit and you're in a spotlight in someone else's place and you don't agree with something, you shouldn't use the stage for a place to hash it out. That is not wise, that is not unity, it actually causes division. So, even though Mark Driscoll did not like what was done and didn't agree with it, he should not have without talking to the pastor there in respect, theology aside, I mean obviously he's there, they know each other, they've been friends or something, because he's at the conference. He's doing it with this guy. He should have taken the time. This is what's important. As being believers, this is what's important as being believers, we should want to go out of our way for each other to not embarrass each other, to not belittle each other, but to make sure to fight for unity in the body, Because it's so easy to not have that unity.

Speaker 3: 33:42

You could have given me a thumbs up or down, and I need to honor that as a spiritual authority know what to do with that.

Speaker 2: 33:53

All right, I am someone that's been blessed by Mark Driscoll's ministry in the past. I've met Pastor Mark Driscoll before. He's been nothing but gracious and encouraging to me, keeping up with some of his stuff. Now I've met Pastor Mark Driscoll before. He's been nothing but gracious and encouraging to me, keeping up with some of his stuff. Now I love his stuff. We've interacted a little bit on social media recently. I don't know if he should have apologized, granted, I don't know if he should have ever been there to begin with. I don't know if he's not aware of some of the things surrounding Pastor John and James River Church and some of the shenanigans that have been coming out there for years.

Speaker 1: 34:23

He's probably aware of it. I mean, especially if this guy just came out and said they've been in blessing and friends and blah. I mean they're aware you can do conferences with people that maybe you don't agree with all of the theology. It's okay, like if I were to go and speak at Bethel Church and gave a word from the Lord and preached a message. That does not say that I agree with all their things that they have at their church, just like because we sing some of their worship stuff that's good music, it's biblically sound doesn't mean that we adhere and preach and reproduce their theology.

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It's a baby in bathwater situation. You can't stop and just say, okay, fine, that's like me. I don't drink, I will not drink. I can't handle drinking because I don't stop and, being a minister, the Bible says for me not to partake. That's a personal conviction and that's a biblical text that I adhere to. That keeps me sober-minded. Okay, I can always be sober-minded if I'm never drunk. That's a fact. Drinking is right, especially right for me. I don't not go to restaurants that have bars, like a lot of mexican restaurants around here in east texas. They they have a bar or they they serve beer. If I were to stick to that, I wouldn't be able to go anywhere. Almost like taco bell. Even the theaters theaters uh, saw a couple of them that they they serve alcohol.

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So we we pick and choose what we want to do, how we want to believe, who we want to let slide, who we don't. And we have to be careful with this, because when we start going down that slippery slope we can become hypocrites or we can just stand for nothing and pretend like we're standing for everything. I mean, it's really kind of what it is. So what do you think? Do you think Mark Driscoll overstepped? Do you think that maybe he shouldn't have been there in the first place? I mean, watch some of the clips of him, that pastor at that church, some of the stuff that he would do. Whether he churched it up, whether he manipulated, whether he lied, I don't honestly know. I don't know the story, but I do know sometimes extreme charismatics can just they make it sound so good and it was nothing close, and what this does is then it makes it where, when something does happen, people won't believe it and that damages the validity of God's power to those that do not believe.

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And so we have to be careful on how we do things, how we go about everything that we do. We need to be on guard. Do things on purpose. You should not live a haphazard, shoot-from-the-hip Christian life. You should be living your life for Christ on purpose, every single day. You should be reading your Bible, if you're a believer, every single day. Why? Because I guarantee you there's somebody out there who does not believe that probably reads it more than you. So, anyways, that was free.

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So what do you think? Mark Driscoll? Should he? Should he not? When he came back on stage, should he have apologized? My personal opinion yes, he's at someone else's conference. To me, he let a kind of not necessarily a personal conviction, but an opinion on something. The things that he said when he was addressing the people and he used the Bible to talk about it. Just, it didn't even add, it didn't even make sense to me. So personally, I don't think it was. It was just weird. So I don't know. Let me know what you think in the comments below Before you go today.

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